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Happy editing! Kleuske (talk) 14:29, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to Trish Stratus. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Do not versions of your own in the articles. Stick to the reliable sources (her interview) in this case. Seek consensus in the talk page per WP:BRD if necessary, instead of edit warring. Bring your sources for the discussion. I've restored the WP:STABLE version as of now. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:11, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kurt Angle's article lists his birthplace as Mt Lebanon Township instead of Pittsburgh, PA, so I don't see why this should be any different. Here is a source that lists her as "Richmond Hill–born": Article on TrishStratus.com TheCelebrinator (talk) 12:21, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mention that in the article. here's a guide on how to do it. Good luck. Kleuske (talk) 14:32, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm FooBarBaz. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to King of england—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. foobarbaz 21:13, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry, that was rude of me. TheCelebrinator (talk) 21:14, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's no original research policy by adding your personal analysis or synthesis into articles, as you did at William III of England, you may be blocked from editing. DrKay (talk) 07:38, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi TheCelebrinator! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at William III of England that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. DrKay (talk) 07:39, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There was no violation of any policy. There are various examples online of William being referred to as the last King of England, which he technically was as no monarch after him styled himself as such. I don't see how mentioning that in a one-off sentence constitutes a major difference from the current article. TheCelebrinator (talk) 11:38, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It may be completely subjective, but talking about yourself in the third person comes across a little weird. Unless you're Gaius Julius Caesar, of course. Kleuske (talk) 14:29, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is no reason to change her picture. While there might be better pictures of her from later games, her appearance as a youth in the first game is what made her notable, and the later games lose the discussed perceived image of her that came as part of her reception from the first game. Masem (t) 12:31, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I left a message on the 'Talk' for the image file. Please continue the conversation there. TheCelebrinator (talk) 12:35, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Umakant Bhalerao was:

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Your recent article submission has been rejected. If you have further questions, you can ask at the Articles for creation help desk or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reason left by Zxcvbnm was: This submission is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. The comment the reviewer left was: This page goes against WP:NOTMIRROR - Wikipedia does not host copies of one website's list of statistics. That is a job for Metacritic themselves. Also duplicates 2022 in video games#Critically acclaimed games.

ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:45, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Zxcvbnm This is not a copy of any list. As previously stated, Metacritic’s list includes many duplicates and multiple versions of games that take up much space in their rankings. My list by contrast ONLY incorporates unique (ie: highest-rated) versions of the video games listed to allow for a more comprehensive ranking. Also, my list, which did not at all draw any inspiration from that 2022 list, deals with games not just published in 2022, but as far back as the 1980s. Therefore, the reasons left behind here are factually wrong and I ask for a review. TheCelebrinator (talk) 17:27, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to argue your case you can go to this discussion, however two admins with indepth knowledge of policy stated their belief that the page is against WP:NOT, so I think it is highly doubtful that it will ever be approved. A number of editors including myself believe that the basis behind the list involves an unaccepable amount of mirroring Metacritic rather than having a standalone basis for a list, and that it is already included elsewhere. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:50, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have already addressed those claims on that page discussion. The outcome of any collaborative discussion that seeks to attain consensus shouldn’t be prejudiced. TheCelebrinator (talk) 18:13, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You did indeed seek consensus and every single editor who responded stated that your article was against the basic tenets of policy which leads me to believe the rejection of the article was and still is correct and that you should move on to a different article to improve. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:05, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not use AI Generated images, such as the fake Donald Trump mugshot on the 2024 United States presidential election wikipedia page. It is completely not in the spirit of Wikipedia. Doobie777 (talk) 11:03, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Doobie777: It seemed to me like it was a real photo. I guess it shows how realistic AI can be. TheCelebrinator (talk) 11:08, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You should never post a image if it "seems" real & only if it is confirmed as real. Ensure you have sources and can back up everything you write. Doobie777 (talk) 11:10, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not add inappropriate images to Wikipedia, as you did to 2024 United States presidential election; it is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Thank you. — Czello ^(music) 11:03, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry. I tried to use publicly available photos (such as ones released by government departments) but it appears I picked the wrong one. TheCelebrinator (talk) 11:10, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is a perfectly reasonable one to use on the Donald Trump page. There is no reason to use a fake mugshot of all things. Doobie777 (talk) 11:11, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was looking for a more recent photo as that one is 6 years old. Plus, I wanted to use a photo that would match the subject's current status. TheCelebrinator (talk) 11:12, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at LeBron James, you may be blocked from editing. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:08, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How does adding a redirect by which the subject is commonly known (such as UK for United Kingdom) vandalism? TheCelebrinator (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your redirected the page to Goat.[1] You also marked the addition of content and redirection of the page as minor. Do not misuse the minor edit tag. If you continue to disrupt wikipedia you will be blocked from editing. DrKay (talk) 07:39, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not mark edits as Minor when you are including details such as the edit you have done for 2024 United States presidential election. Please also ensure you are citing your sources - can you cite that "the indictments against Donald Trump are expected to be leading campaign issues." or it will be marked as Original research Doobie777 (talk) 06:56, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Mug shot of Donald Trump. [2]. You've done the same thing to LeBron James as stated in the previous warning. Do not misuse the minor edit tag and attempt to redirect articles again or will result in a block. Tails Wx (they/them) ⚧ 02:23, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This was NOT an act of vandalism. The article is named "Mug shot of Donald Trump", but it's not necessarily the most common way to look up that article. "Trump mug shot" and "Trump mugshot" currently do not redirect to the article as they should, so I tried to fix that. How is that vandalism?!?! TheCelebrinator (talk) 02:56, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You need assistance on redirects? That's on WP:REDIRECT. Also, why was the edit marked minor? That edit isn't a minor edit, per Help:Minor edit#What not to mark as minor changes. If you need further assistance on redirects, feel free to ask! Tails Wx (they/them) ⚧ 03:12, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have only been editing Wikipedia for about a month or two. I made a technical mistake because I misused the redirect tag. It wasn't on purpose. I later created redirects for both of those search tags manually. Redirects are relatively minor edits in my book.

I'm not perfect, but I certainly wasn't trying to vandalize anything like you alleged. TheCelebrinator (talk) 03:23, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you think redirecting pages are minor edits? Essentially this isn't the first time this has happened. That's why I assumed it was vandalism. Tails Wx (they/them) ⚧ 03:28, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Minor edits are edits that don't substantially affect the flow of the article. A new word here and there, for example. In this case, a redirect wouldn't even go noticed by most readers as it only exists in the source code of the article. TheCelebrinator (talk) 03:30, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Help:Minor edit states that minor edits should be marked for edits such as formatting, layout, grammarical, spelling, and punctuation errors, correcting wikilinks and fixing citations, and reverting vandalism. One of the points under "What not to mark as minor changes" is Adding or removing content in an article. You added a redirect which is adding content to the article, and it shouldn't have been marked as a minor edit under that circumstance. Tails Wx (they/them) ⚧ 03:38, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, it seems I was mistaken, then. Thank you for pointing that out, I'll keep that in mind from now on. TheCelebrinator (talk) 03:40, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, thanks for your cooperation. Happy editing! Tails Wx (they/them) ⚧ 03:41, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article Ketel Marte's 18-game post-season hitting streak has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you copied or moved text from List of prime ministers of Canada by time in office into List of premiers of Quebec by time in office. While you are welcome to re-use Wikipedia's content, here or elsewhere, Wikipedia's licensing does require that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied at minimum in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content, disclosing the copying and linking to the copied page, e.g., copied content from [[page name]]; see that page's history for attribution. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to also place a properly formatted {{copied}} template on the talk pages of the source and destination. Please provide attribution for this duplication if it has not already been supplied by another editor, and if you have copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, you should provide attribution for that also. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Thank you. — Diannaa (talk) 18:01, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Diannaa, thank you for the information. It was my intention to make the article as detailed as possible by using a pre-existing template found in a similar article. I believe I've succeeded in doing so, but I will learn to provide attribution next time. Thank you again. TheCelebrinator (talk) 20:52, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Before I get started, let me define first a term I'm going to use, the lede is the first sentence of an article.

There are very specific requirements for the lede. For starters, there is no such thing on Wikipedia as being notable for being a celebrity's boyfriend, especially when you've already established your own notability like he has. Second, his notability is as an NFL tight end. It's why he has an article in the first place. Not to mention he's had a successful career in that field on the way to in 5-10 years being inducted into the Hall of Fame, on top of winning 2 championships.

Point blank, stop adding comments about being Taylor Swift's boyfriend to the lead.--Rockchalk717 16:54, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Look man, none of that actually matters because the vast majority of people only know him as Taylor's bf. That's why his Google Trends shot up the second he started dating her. He was a nobody before then. TheCelebrinator (talk) 22:32, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be new here and clearly don't understand how things work here. Yes, his notability as a NFL tight end does matter now. Number 1, almost everything you said there is unequivocally false. If that was accurate, his social media followers would have more than doubled after they started, which didn't happen. Also, his podcast was one of the most popular sports podcasts before they dated. And, you are seriously living in a fantasy land if you think a 2 time Super Bowl Champion who hosted Saturday Night Live in March that has his own dating show several years ago who's endorsement deals skyrocketed this offseason before they started dating was a "nobody". Number 2, it does matter because Wikipedia policy requires the lede to establish notability per MOS:LEDE. Even if what you said was accurate, once again, from a Wikipedia standpoint there is no such thing as being notable for being the boyfriend of a celebrity. If Taylor Swift was a dating a normal person, they wouldn't get an article. The handful of celebrities married to non-celebrities, their spouses do not have a page.--Rockchalk717 04:52, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

None of that matters because Taylor Swift is the most popular person on the planet and so everything associated with her takes precedence over whatever prior accomplishments he might have had. Kelce's career as a football player was stagnating until Taylor put him on the map, so he's now famous and getting all those deals you're mentioning. He needed Taylor's clout to get over with the public. Before then, he was only known by a few hardcore American football fans like yourself, but he's now finally mainstream because of Taylor. There's no evidence he was well known before then. TheCelebrinator (talk) 05:23, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Travis Kelce. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Please stop adding "Taylor Swift's boyfriend" to lede. Rockchalk717 22:17, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Does it offend you that your darling player is mostly known as being one celebrity's boyfriend? I sure hope it doesn't, because that's the truth. TheCelebrinator (talk) 23:03, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing.

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Travis Kelce, you may be blocked from editing. No more discussion of this. Stop adding the claim is known for being Taylor Swift's boyfriend to the article period. Rockchalk717 06:10, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to end discussion of this, that's because you're admitting that your arguments, or lack thereof, are without merit. I will be forced to request mediation on the issue if you don't agree to sit down at the table to discuss. TheCelebrinator (talk) 06:44, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Request reason:

I was falsely accused of vandalism when, in fact, I had always been acting on good faith to make the most substantial and productive edits I could make. Notably, the blocking notice, enacted by a user I had never even met, lists no such instance of "alleged vandalism." Legitimate dsiagreement on editing policy should not be interpreted as a blank cheque to blacklist whoever you might disagree with.

Decline reason:

You're not "blacklisted". You're blocked for 24 hours. Once you got into a content dispute, you should have immediately gone to the article talk page to attempt to gain WP:CONSENSUS for your content. I agree that the "vandalism" charge is wrong; you're being disruptive, however. Come back tomorrow and use the talk pages. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 20:52, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Request reason:

Actually, the reason I was blocked had nothing to do with the Kelce article. It was for a completely other different thing, related to a dispute about including the length of tenure of Canadian premiers/prime ministers. I had tried to seek consensus on the article talk page, but by the time I saw anyone reply there, I was already blocked from editing. You can verify how I tried to "gain consensus" on that article's talk page. Therefore, I already did as you said.

Decline reason:

I agree that your edits on Canadian premiers' bios, while they were undesirable trivia, were not vandalism. However, your insistence on emphasizing Travis Kelce's notability as framed by his relationship with Taylor Swift violated our policy on biographies of living persons, and you should have stopped after the first time your edits were reverted, instead of replying with snide comments as you did above. The fact that you kept this up after the article was protected, and the fact that you created several new redirects on this theme, both suggest that you are not here to contribute constructively. You will have an opportunity to prove me wrong when your block expires, but your appeal is declined. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 22:03, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Request reason:

There are now two separate administrators/reviewers who have concluded that I have not committed vandalism, which is the official reason given for my ban. Therefore, why uphold a block for which you agree the reason was not valid? It wasn't for anything to do with the Kelce article, it was for a completely other, ultra- minor (or at least should have been one) dispute about some line acknowledging a bit of trivia, of which there is plenty on Wikipedia.

Decline reason:

This block appears to have expired. SQL^{Query Me!} 02:00, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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In what possible world was this edit helpful? Apart from being uncited, it's also utterly meaningless. As she is the premier immediately after Jason Kenney, she was "the longest-serving premier of Aberta since Jason Kenney" the moment she took office. It's far from the first time you've made garbage edits like this. --Yamla (talk) 20:50, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• In fact, I had added the exact same line to all Canadian premiers. As I'm not exactly familiar with the politics of every other province except my own, I added the line for all premiers with the hope that, in cases like this, a user would notice and change it to the appropriate wording. There are cases where a premier's tenure is among the top 10 and thus needs mentioning, like with my own (Quebec's). By the way, I got all my sources from the articles that already exist on Wikipedia on PM/Premiers' length of tenure. I don't think it's possible to cite within Wikipedia.

• P.S. Maybe it should go without saying, but English isn't actually my native language, being from Quebec. Therefore, there are times where linguistic confusion can occur and I can end up saying something completely different than from how I could have written it in my mother language. I don't think that should be grounds for falsely accusing an editor of vandalizing. If you have a problem with any of my edits, there's a talk page for that. Banning people arbitrarily isn't the solution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheCelebrinator (talk • contribs)

Pretty easy to see you have never edited that article's talk page, see here. You most certainly should not be adding that exact same line to all Canadian premiers. Relying on others to clean up your inappropriate edits is disruptive. And this has nothing to do with English not being your native language. It would also be utterly meaningless in French. --Yamla (talk) 22:05, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I was referring to another article altogether, namely, Travis Kelce's. It's unfortunate you didn't see that.

You also exaggerate the impact that a line acknowledging a premier's length of tenure would have on an article's cohesion. Disruptive editing would refer to an edit that would disrupt an article's overall flow or cohesion. A one-off bit of trivia, because that's all it was, doesn't come to close to that. Even your fellow administrators (two of them, mind you) acknowledge that what I did does not constitute vandalism (which carries malicious intent), the reason officially stated for my ban.

P.S. Are you a francophone? Do you natively speak French or otherwise know how to speak the language? If not, then butt out of making such assertions about other languages. TheCelebrinator (talk) 22:18, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your block, not ban, is for disruptive editing, not for vandalism, if you want to get technical about it. I do not agree that your edits were not disruptive, as you were repeatedly violating WP:BLP after being warned to stop. As you continue to defend those unacceptable edits, in my opinion it would be reasonable to extend your block, not lift it. Choose your words for your next diatribe wisely. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 22:50, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the block log said "vandalism", but I just fixed it. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 22:57, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, fair. Still, Wikipedia is not a court of law; you don't get off because the paperwork wasn't filled out correctly. Blocks are to prevent disruption, and if you want to be unblocked then you need to demonstrate that you will not continue editing disruptively if you are unblocked. If you'd like to try to explain why your editing on Travis Kelce was unacceptable, I'll consider unblocking you. Rockchalk717 made a decent effort in a thread above, and you are not blocked from reading the biogrpahies of living persons policy. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 23:13, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I would love to do that, but unfortunately, I cannot "explain" why my edit was acceptable or not until I am unblocked - a block extends to pretty much everything here on Wikipedia. It's a bit paradoxical to ask me to "prove" I was acting in good faith - not trying to disrupt that is - only to keep my account blocked and prevent me from doing that. I believe in following established predecent and conventions. I believe in trying to sort out disputes with other users in a consensus-buulding manner instead of acting unilaterally. But obviously, I can't do that until this block still applies, which it does. TheCelebrinator (talk) 23:18, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not asking you to discuss the edit with other users, I'm asking you to explain here why that edit was unacceptable and will never be acceptable. I'll give it a try for you. We have a policy, the biographies of living persons policy, which says that we do not publish unsourced contentious or negative information about living persons. It is to be removed immediately and without discussion. You've repeatedly made edits describing Travis Kelce, an all-star professional football player with multiple championships and professional records who according to our article is "considered one of the greatest tight ends of all time" (with sources), as "best known" or "universally known" as Taylor Swift's current boyfriend. That is patently false, and we do not publish information about living persons which is provably incorrect, no matter what your personal opinion is. The policy includes talk pages, by the way. There is no debate to be had on this, and the fact that you still insist on "discussing it" (and given your recent history of "discussion" being rudely telling people that they're wrong) means that I am not convinced that unblocking you will not lead to trouble. It would be irresponsible of me to unblock you if you insist on making these edits. Is this starting to make sense to you? Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 23:39, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't add the "universally known" claim about his being Taylor's bf, some other user did.[3] That's another person's doing. I later added outside of football, towards the end of the lede, a mention of his dating Taylor Swift. Do a simple Google search about Travis Kelce - virtually every current newsarticle discusses him in relation to Taylor Swift. Whether it's "best known" or "universally known" or "widely known" (I am prepared to admit that perhaps the phrasing could have been different - I don't follow the NFL but Kelce appears to have achieved some measure of success there), part of his notability is in relation to her. I don't see how you can deny that.

Look at Joe DiMaggio's article - it mentions his dating another famous celebrity, Marilyn Monroe. Incidentally, the phrasing is almost identical: "Outside of baseball, DiMaggio is also widely known for his marriage and life-long devotion to Marilyn Monroe." I don't see why it worries you that we should add a similar sentence about Travis and Taylor. TheCelebrinator (talk) 00:11, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In other words, I am prepared to admit that Kelce's main notability is as an NFL player. I personally never heard of him before he started dating Taylor, but I guess that as a Quebecer, football isn't quite as big here as in the States. That's one thing. But you can't deny that part of his notability is as a result of Taylor. That's what I'm mainly arguing for here. TheCelebrinator (talk) 00:16, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't add the "universally known" claim about his being Taylor's bf No, but you went out of your way to re-insert it. — Czello ^(music) 00:20, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I added that at the end of his lede, with the explicit mention that it's outside the football world. A bit like DiMaggio's article mentioning Marilyn Monroe. What does it say? "Outside of baseball, DiMaggio is also widely known for his marriage and life-long devotion to Marilyn Monroe." Widely is a synonym for universally, I think, but I don't know. I confess, I'm not a native English speaker, Czello, so it means something else there. TheCelebrinator (talk) 00:24, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you're not a native English speaker I could be misunderstanding the placement of this, as it's in an odd place (and, in hingsight, looks like a typo of university), so I'll WP:AGF on that. I retract what I said. — Czello ^(music) 00:28, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for assuming good faith. It takes courage to admit you were wrong and give the benefit of the doubt. TheCelebrinator (talk) 00:31, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, first off, it is not up to you or any one individual to decide what it is and isn't acceptable to mention in an article. There's a consensus that needs to be reached for that beforehand. I was ready to engage in talks to reach such consensus (about mentioning Kelce's status as Taylor's bf), but unfortunately, it seems like nobody wanted to take me up on my offer, at least not until after I was blocked.

Second, I did not make any other edit to Travis Kelce's article when it came to that issue. I was told by another user to "stop", because you see, he didn't want to talk it over with me, and that I would be blocked if I didn't "stop". So what I did was answer that I would seek mediation (consensus) about whether or not to add the mention in the lede. It's what anyone should have done - seek consensus instead of going about it unilaterally. Go look it over yourself - I didn't make any subsequent edits to Kelce's article, pertaining to that issue.

And third, the block WAS for vandalism, not for disruptive editing. That's a new charge you're inventing right now. Look at the log. It says vandalism. TheCelebrinator (talk) 23:14, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recommend TC be unblocked, if this has to do with adding trivia to Canadian prime ministers & premiers bios. I recommend such trivia not be added to those bios & that TC seek a consensus for such additions at the talkpage of WP:CANADA, when he's unblocked or his block expires. GoodDay (talk) 23:17, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the vote of confidence. As previously explained, my block was initially only given for that mention of trivia you stated on their bios. Since nobody here is arguing I broke any relevant guidelines pertaining to that issue, I would like for the block to be lifted so I can make my case on the other issue. TheCelebrinator (talk) 23:20, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect Taylor swifts boyfriend has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 15 § Taylor swifts boyfriend until a consensus is reached. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 22:09, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, unfortunately, I am not able to comment or give my opinion because some other user took it upon themselves to attribute to me some charge of vandalism, which you yourself have denied. Now, I would have thought that your agreeing with me on that would also mean that the ban therefore no longer applies, but apparently not. TheCelebrinator (talk) 22:24, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

These discussions normally run for seven days, so you should have plenty of time to contribute when your block expires. In the meantime, if you have a constructive comment you want to make towards the discussion I'll gladly copy it over for you. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 23:15, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if it's as you say, I would prefer to make such comment myself. That is, if you don't decide to extend the block like you've previously threatened to do. TheCelebrinator (talk) 23:24, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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