User talk:Rosguill

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You base your deletion on a citation in another article, but that citation is a pop-culture website whereas mine is a published journal with scholastic integrity. Wikipedian-in-Waiting (talk) 12:53, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedian-in-Waiting, so a few considerations went into that revert that I would like to see addressed before reinstating

1. I was not able to pull up the actual page of the citation to Freedman 1981 that you provided and would like to see the exact quote

2. There's multiple sources, including academic sources, that place the invention of hard-shell tacos before the 1940s.

Pilcher 2008 is a peer-reviewed Food Studies paper that identifies the mass-production of hard-corn shells in the 1930s as an evolution of pre-existing foodways

MEL Magazine is not an academic press, but it interviews Pilcher and other academic subject-matter experts directly

3. One would think that if Cabeza de Baca was the inventor it would figure prominently into her own biography, but reviewing the sources at Fabiola Cabeza de Baca Gilbert, they don't devote much attention to that aspect at all. Further, the work that the hard-shell taco appeared in, The Good Life: New Mexico Traditions and Foods, is described by Rudnick 2012 as plac[ing] recipes within the historic and cultural contexts out of which they grew--i.e., not original recipes but rather adaptation and codification of existing foods.

So, based on the available information, my sense is that most likely either a) Freedman 1981 has been superseded by more recent scholarship or else b) it possibly doesn't actually attribute "invention" but rather "first publication" or similar claims to Cabeza de Baca. I would be convinced otherwise by additional peer reviewed citations that address the question of whether hard-shell tacos were mass-produced in the early 20th century. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:58, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you look at their contributions? Doug Weller talk 19:25, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not closely no, obviously their edits are very fishy but I don't have any concrete links to other accounts to suggest. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:37, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. They just seem to know a lot, including about socks. Doug Weller talk 20:13, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They have been CU confirmed to another editor (by Fr33kman) on simple wiki. M.Bitton (talk) 20:25, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@M.Bitton Thanks. Doug Weller talk 06:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@M.Bitton And here, by me. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Truthfindervert. Doug Weller talk 12:24, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Doug Weller: Great! I might request a global lock (for the sockmaster) later on today. M.Bitton (talk) 13:27, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. Doug Weller talk 14:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 You are invited to join the discussion at User talk:Liz § Los Fantasmas. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Rosguill. Just letting you know about this as a courtesy. Would you also mind taking a look at Special:Contributions/Bottleboy04? There seems like a good chance that this is a case of WP:QUACK. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Rosguill, this edit seems to have come out a bit messy[1]. I think I cleaned up any collateral damage but I would want to know if it had been my edit so just letting you know that something went wonky. Have a good day! Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Reliability_of_Al_Jazeera. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. RfC’s are not the place to comment on editor conduct. Further, your claims are false; nine errors, "regardless of significance", were identified, not "76 (!) "serious" errors".

Please remove that comment. BilledMammal (talk) 15:57, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had misunderstood the scope of the prior discussion and will rephrase. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:59, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed--I remain of the opinion that the method and pace on display in the recent AJ discussions is not compatible with good-faith editing, and do intend to file a case at AE if tendentious challenges continue. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:07, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

FYI, off the top of my head two sources recently have been subject to a greater level of scrutiny - ADL and The Telegraph. BilledMammal (talk) 16:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Rosguill Why did you restrict this article?! This person is a famous iranian athlete, he won 2023 asian karate championships gold medal. I think you mistake, he is notable. P@yam (talk) 11:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Payamkermanshahi, As I wrote in the edit summary, other than an interview I found online (not independent), coverage is limited to mere mentions, does not meet WP:GNG. Redirect to 2023 Asian Karate Championships where mentioned. Do you have access to any sources with better coverage? _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:35, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yes of course

Karate Championship 2023 results on the website of the World Karate Federation.

• wkf result

Also, several official Persian language news agencies that are mentioned in this article.

• mehr news

P@yam (talk) 15:38, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WKF is a primary source, so that's not what we're looking for. Meanwhile, the Mehr article you've linked doesn't mention Fadakar at all. I clicked through the linked articles on the page, [2], [3], [4], [5], and they don't mention Fadakar either. Ideally, we'd want to see multiple sources with at least 2-3 sentences specifically about Fadakar and his life/career. Have you read through WP:GNG? _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These links you mentioned are related news. In the Wikipedia article 2023 Asian Karate Championships, his name was mentioned as a member of the Iranian men's team and a gold medalist.

It is clear that he won a gold medal and it is notable.

Due, in the article 2023 Asian Karate Championships, one of the sources is the WKF website, this website is the most reliable source of karate.

Also This website is known as the reference of sports websites.

• sport data

P@yam (talk) 18:03, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Winning a medal as part of a team, in the absence of coverage of the subject as an individual, does not make a compelling case for notability. It could begin to make a case for the team being notable collectively, although again, we'd want to see coverage about the team's history, composition, performance etc. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I respect what you have to say, but don't you think you are being harsh with this article?

while a team competition was held and this person was a member of the team. With this point of view and reasoning, most of the articles about athletes should be restricted. due your statementes, none of the members of a football team that won the World Cup can't have an article. P@yam (talk) 01:21, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're missing the point here. Anyone can meet the notability guidelines, if extensive there's coverage in secondary sources. Almost every single player of top-flight football (let alone the top teams of the top flight) has thousands of words written about their career in independent publications. That's what establishes their notability, not the abstract fact that they've been on a team that has won a prize. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 02:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To give a concrete example, compare the sources you've provided to the sources cited in the article Ali Alipour, or any of his teammates. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 02:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Its problem here, that your point is diffrent of other. those resources that i provided, all are most reable sport news agencies, but you said those are primary news and non-independent.

Now I have a question for you, how did you recognize that those websites are not independent and not authoritative? P@yam (talk) 19:00, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statistics from a sports tournament and announcements by the tournament's organizers are by definition WP:PRIMARY sources. Moreover, the issue across the board is that the sources you've identified have virtually nothing to say about Fadakar, not that there's something wrong with their credibility. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:29, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because, this tournament was held in team category, and it news was covered. In the those resurces that i provided to you, they mentioned his name (fadakar), it wasn't indivitual tournament.

Also, keep in mind, non-Olympic combat sports are no covered very much, resources for such competitions are limited. I have no insistence to keep this article, but this article is really notable. There are also many Persian sources available. P@yam (talk) 20:41, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• [6]
• [7]
• [8]
• [9]
• [10]
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• [12]

P@yam (talk) 20:50, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of these do more than mention Fadakar's inclusion on a team. We need sources that discuss his biography, his style, the quality of his play/coaching, actual prose about Fadakar, not just listing his participation. Persian sources are as good as English, but none of the Persian sources identified have depth of coverage either. Please seek further assistance at the teahouse, as I feel like I'm repeating myself here. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of the recent references (persian news) I sent last time could attract your attention? P@yam (talk) 21:24, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good day. I'm here about AE case; the user had already exceeded the 500 word limit here, and they exceeded it more by their latest reply: the reply is disingenuous and lacks context, but I can't explain as to why in AE or here (because in a way I'd circumvent the 500 limit) because I'm already at 498 words in AE. Can I get granted an extension, and if not, can the user comment be removed per word limit rules? Vanezi (talk) 17:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Granted, although I don't know that you'll actually need it at the moment. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 22:41, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Vanezi (talk) 03:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there anyway we can protect this article per WP:GS/AA enforcement action? User:Sergiopoghosyan200(33+ edits) and IP37.61.125.53(3 edits) are edit warring over the article. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that seems reasonable. Will do. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you sir. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Rosguill, thank your for reviewing my request at new page patrol a little while ago. I have contributed a lot to Wikipedia since I had my deleted article in May which I've made 27 articles since then that haven't been deleted, plus I'm making two or three per day as well as participating in a few AfD's with 84% of my decisions being matches. Could you please re-consider your decision, even if it's just a trail for a one month. Many thanks! Azarctic (talk) 19:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I looked through your recent articles again per this request. While most of them are excellent, Danielle Moyse created a few days ago seems to lack sources that would add up to WP:GNG. I stand by my prior recommendation to keep up the good work and reapply in a few months. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:44, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem that I had with my other articles getting deleted is because articles on royalty, many editors on the EN wiki believe that it is not sufficient simply to be a member of a notable family but for inclusion in Wikipedia, which is why my articles were getting deleted. I'm expanding my varity on what articles I am creating now, and as you can see here, none of my articles have been deleted recently due to me not creating articles on royalty and nobility. Azarctic (talk) 19:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was blocked from editing Wikipedia for 2 days, forbidden from discussing the deletion of an article I wrote, got multiple warnings and gopt threatened with my account being blocked because "I broke WS:GSAA" when I just added a flag into an article and edited on an article that is not mentioned as WS:GSAA. However, others can freely and for a long time edit on the topic with even less edits than me with zero consequences whatsoever. Also, the only people that are against the articles I wrote are Armenians using the "government propaganda" argument for anything. Also, why are only Azerbaijanis being met with restrictions and consquences hwen violating, but I never saw any Armenian getting the same treatment? See Wikipedia:WikiProject Discrimination ~~ Viceskeeni2 (talk • contribs) 16:26, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s plainly inaccurate to say that you are the only one being affected by these restrictions; you can see a full list of affected pages and accounts at WP:GS/AA itself and WP:AELOG. Infractions are addressed as they are reported. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:56, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User AlenVaneci is editing on the topic multiple times although he doesn't even have 1/5 of the needed edits to edit on that topics Viceskeeni2 (talk) 22:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've issued them a final warning, as I find the prior warnings issued to be somewhat lacking: ({{alert/first}} was not correctly invoked, the a-a code needs to be added to the first parameter in order to display the relevant text, and the following warning from Nemoralis was excessively confrontational. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:40, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for bothering you Rosguill, but it seems that Viceskeeni2 is now trying to bypass the WP:GS/AA through proxy editing / WP:CANVASSING [13]. Perhaps one ought to ask Viceskeeni2 who this "Armenian user" that "spread misinformation" is. The accusation is likely directed at @KhndzorUtogh:, who is quite popular on Reddit right now (welcome to the club) if you search their name. HistoryofIran (talk) 00:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not trying to bypass it,I thought it was allowed to ask others to edit because I saw someone else do it before. Right after I was told that that's Canvassing I immediately apologized and promised that I'll refrain from it, which I did and do. Again: I'm sorry for doing it because I didn:t clearly know it's unpermissible. After getting my warning, I immediately stopped. Viceskeeni2 (talk) 00:09, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, you're right [14] - my bad. Anyways, may I ask who this Armenian user is? HistoryofIran (talk) 00:14, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Like you already said, it was KhndzorUtogh. I edited on my IP because I thought those accounts didn't have the restriction and those special edits were a dorn in my eye. However, after finding out that it's restricted (I took some time to process it because I thought y'all meant I should stop revisioning the edits an account that violated the restriction made), I (again) stopped editing and brought the topic to the talk pages of each article because I was told so. And also, the edits were indeed agenda-pushing, nationalistic and false reports with sources being taken out of context, victims and attackers literally being swapped in one event, edits with sources where the source mentioned NOTHING mentioned in the edit and calling Monte Melkonian a revolutionary hero on an article that's supposed to be neutral (you can call him hero on the Armenian page idc). Viceskeeni2 (talk) 00:27, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Damn, I should become a detective instead of a physiotherapist! I also found your still blocked IP (2 weeks for using Wikipedia as a battleground), mentioning the exact same about Melkonian [15]. In other words, you're not only violating WP:ASPERSIONS / WP:NPA against KhndzorUtogh (not the first time, I can see you have done it at least once before [16]), but also evading your block (WP:BLOCKEVASION). HistoryofIran (talk) 00:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How am I evading my block? The block said that I can't use that IP on anonymous edits, this ain't an anonymous edit. Evading my block would be if I log onto another account when my different account is blocked, my account isn't blocked and I don't have any other blocked account. Also I didn't violate it because I provided proof and reasons for it multiple times. Also, when an Armenian made the same attacks against me suddenly it wasn't a problem, but now when it's the other way around it is? I thought discrimination wasn't allowed on Wikipedia? And why is it a problem when I mention the Melkonian-topic. Why is it allowed to depict him as a hero on English Wikipedia? Anyone can be depicted as a hero then. Viceskeeni2 (talk) 00:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's literally mentioned in the second sentence "User accounts or IP addresses used to evade a block should also be blocked." Your IP got blocked, then you resumed editing on your account. And please drop the discrimination card (this is the second time you're using it in this thread), the users here couldn't care less whether you're Azeri or Kryptonian. The fact that you're trying to justify the stuff that got your IP blocked says more than enough. HistoryofIran (talk) 01:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Rosguill,

Hello Rosguill, I see your talents and specialties and I would love to learn more about Wikipedia and NPP. I think you are the best teacher. I would love to be an adoptee. ScribblingScribe - TALK 20:34, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ScribblingScribe, it looks like you've only made 24 edits to articles so far, so I don't think NPP training is appropriate just yet. I would recommend that you look for useful edits to make by checking out WP:TASK and start getting practice editing that way. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yes, I know NPP is a long ways away haha. I will certainly check out the task center however! Could you maybe teach me a bit about editing and more beginner things? :) ScribblingScribe - TALK 22:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you have any specific questions in particular? My usual advice for people just starting to edit Wikipedia is to start at WP:TASK and feel your way around different kinds of editing work. The existing guides and introductions to various areas of work linked from there should provide you with the introduction you need. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 22:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not many specific questions! Just one actually, how can I check article edits? ScribblingScribe - TALK 22:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you're referring to past edits to an article, you can check the "view history" tab on any page. If you're referring to checking how many edits you've made, you can use xtools. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 23:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome thanks! ScribblingScribe - TALK 23:25, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

can you please add this to the main space of artcile of deletion sept 5? I made some erros while editing this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/M._M._Akbar Aparamoorthy (talk) 13:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what you are asking me to do. AfD pages are automatically transcluded to daily logs; the article in question appears at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 September 5. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 14:00, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article Vũ Minh Hiếu (footballer) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

WP:ONEOTHER, WP:INCDAB, WP:ORPHAN.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. – sgeureka ^t•c 13:19, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

{{subst:Proposed deletion notify|Bor Skate Plaza}}

Hello, you made some early edits to this page so I wanted to notify you. Thank you for your work. ~~~ Agnieszka653 (talk) 20:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agnieszka653, I did not create this article and am not sure why you are notifying me. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Rosguill, I need your help regarding this article. It was created a couple of months ago but had no sources, so I draftified it with the script, which tagged the redirect for speedy deletion automatically. The user who originally created it removed the deletion tags and created the article again instead of waiting for the draft to be moved to mainspace. Now if I go to my articles created list, it shows up under my name when it's not supposed to. Since I haven't created it, I want it to be removed, but I don't know how to do it because I'm afraid if I tag it for deletion, it'll still show up under my name but in the deletion section. Can you please help me with that? Thanks! Waqar💬 16:06, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iwaqarhashmi, I've gone ahead and restored the article to mainspace, as its bibliography was decent, in particular [17]. This makes the page history of the cut and paste split moot. The page really should not have been draftified in the first place and I'm puzzled as to why you decided to take that action. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:26, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. There was a misunderstanding in the initial assessment and draftifying the article was an oversight. I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused and thank you so much for helping me out by restoring it to mainspace. Waqar💬 17:38, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, hope you are doing well. Could you please restore my autopatrolled user rights? Regards TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 07:51, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I don't see a reason for doing this: 4/5 of your most recent articles have been deleted at AfD, and the most recent one was approved but tagged for several issues. In general, you've hardly edited since the permissions were removed, and I'm not seeing any acknowledgement of the past UPE concerns. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 22:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]