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Nonnotable pastor. Lacking significant coverage. --Altenmann >talk 23:29, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I found a primary source [1] and that's about it. I don't see notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:00, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Christianity, California, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Michigan, New Jersey, and Washington. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:02, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Plymouth-Canton Marching Band

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Like pretty much every student organization or team, this WP:ROTM high school band is not notable and should not have a standalone article: fails WP:CLUB and WP:NMUSIC. Sources are non-independent, very brief mentions, or routine local news similar (WP:AUD) to that my own high school's band received. Most content is fluff about personnel and awards received by countless competitive youth groups (11th place finalist, regional champion, etc). There are a lot of student contests and appearances out there like these every year, and even winning multiple times is not basis for an article. May be redirected to Plymouth-Canton Educational Park#Marching band.

I don't believe there are any other individual high school band articles, and similar AFDs include Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pequannock Township Marching Band (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barnstable High School Marching Band, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Reeths-Puffer Marching Band, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deep Run Marching Wildcat Band, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stafford High School Tribe of Pride Marching Band, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Redlands Terrier Marching Band Reywas92^Talk 22:10, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Schools and Michigan. Reywas92^Talk 22:10, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:05, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep When I see this source, I am convinced that this band is notable. The edit history of the article in question is also interesting. The Banner talk 00:38, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A four-sentence blurb in the local paper? That's not substantive and is precisely what WP:AUD is for. Newspapers regularly cover local schools' football, basketball, band, academic, and other accomplishments, but we should not have separate articles for every one of those student organizations because they've won something. This should be summarized in the main article, not a separate respository for cruft like the staff (WP:RFCSCHOOLADMIN) and events attended. Reywas92^Talk 01:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:NBAND#9. They won a prestigious band competition in 1990, 1991, and 1999.
Re: regional media, major media treatment in:

Indy Star [2]
Detroit Free Press [3]

On another (admittedly slightly WP:ILIKEIT) note, this little school has had an amazing run of success with its marching band. I think we would barely bat an eye at keeping an article about a football team with three national championships. Its article has survived two previous AfD's. What's the sudden urgency to call this article "cruft" and remove it? Oblivy (talk) 01:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's absurd and utterly overly broad to claim NBAND with that. Dozens of schools have won and placed in this competition and dozens more have won other band competitions. This should be recognized in the school's article, not as a standalone article for the student group.

The Indy Star did not actually cover this: as you can see with "Observer life" in the top left, it was covered by a reporter of the local Michigan site Observer (hosted by Hometown Life), and it was not actually published in the Star but https://www.hometownlife.com/story/life/community/observer/2015/07/23/go-blue-cep-band-kellogg-park-plymouth/30579317/ there]. The second link is also the local Canton Observer, not the larger but also local Detroit Free Press, and in the "Local news" page, where they also cover the high school drag race team, an automotive detailing company, and high school football, volleyball, and soccer teams.

I think we would barely bat an eye at keeping an article about a football team with three national championships. This is not true, we do not keep articles about high school football teams, because every school has a team, many have won championships, and student teams and groups should be covered in the school's article. Yet Baltimore City College football, which dates to the 1800s and has notable alumni, appears to be the only one.

Indeed, articles written by a member of the student group, with lists of "legendary" and "preeminent" staff and flowery language, are crufty and should be avoided. Reywas92^Talk 20:36, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Detroit Free Press article I was referring to is this [4]. There's a 2007 article which is a broken link. Sorry about that.

Regarding the IndyStar article are we really at the point of picking nits over where it was "actually" published? The point is that they get a variety of press coverage, and most of it reflects their multiple national wins (which kind of blunts your point about other bands winning the competition).

If you're not happy about the language used, then the article should be improved per WP:NOTCLEANUP and WP:ATD. Oblivy (talk) 13:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Notability isn't temporary. They've won multiple national championships. Those championships haven't disappeared since the last AfD in 2017. --Hammersoft (talk) 23:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They weren't notable in the first place. Many schools have won multiple championships for this particular event as well as others (USBands, Western Band Association, Tournament of Bands). Countless more championships for other student activities. That doesn't mean they should have articles. Reywas92^Talk 01:39, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Umm, WP:BAND (#9). Yes, it does. --Hammersoft (talk) 12:58, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of entertainment events at the Little Caesars Arena

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Articles for deletion/List of entertainment events at the SM Mall of Asia complex

Articles for deletion/List of entertainment events at the Little Caesars Arena (2nd nomination)

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Fails WP:NLIST overall, as the content of the list is not notable as a group. Seems to fail WP:NOTDB. Stated inclusion criteria does not match title. mikeblas (talk) 15:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Entertainment, Events, Lists, and Michigan. Skynxnex (talk) 16:19, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 18:38, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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